Templars, the Islamic connection and other false leads

Umberto Eco writes in one of his books, maybe it was the Foucault pendelum, that every New World Order conspiracy gets at some point to the Templars. Tegtmeier (E. R. Carmin: Das Schwarze Reich), that I now reread mainly in order to brush up my too long neglected German, is no exception. In about half way in this bible Tegtmeier tells the well-known story of Templars and their assumed connections with the Ismaili Order of Assassins. At this point, when the theory ties in the Templars, it usually loses all credibility.

            I would not say that Tegtmeier loses all credibility. His book is of the gentre where the reader should be all the time careful, but he does given many pieces of correct information, and the book is nicely written. (Apart of the German style of writing very long sentences, which – when you break them into intelligible pieces – do not finally have any clear meaning.)

           But I decided to write a short text explaining what this Templar and Islamic connection actually is according to what I found out in this small study on conspiracies. Thus, the (false) claim that Freemasonry derives from medieval Temple knights was invented by Karl Gotthelt von Hund, who in 1764 founded the Order of Strict Observance. He may have been inspired by the Rosicrusian legend of the burial chamber of Christian Rosencreuz, which contained all hidden knowledge and suggestions in the Rosicrusian documents to Templars and Islamic wisdom. Already in 1782 the Order of Strict Observance denounced this theory. Yet, it stayed in German Freemasonry and still just before the Nazi time Lanz von Liebensfels founded the Order of New Templars in Austria.

            The real story is simpler and much less exotic than the legend: no old man of the mountain, no hashish addicted murderers, no Templar secret in the Montsegur fortress. It seems that Adam Weishaupt joined the lodge of Good Counsels in 1777, a year after founding the Bavarian Illuminati, Mirabeau confirmed that the Good Counsels was Illuminated when he visited it. This was the start of Illuminati’s takeover of Freemasonry. A bit later Franz von Knigge of the Bavarian Illuminati infiltrated the Strict Observance. The German mother lodge founded 1744 by Frederick the Great, The Three Globes, adopted the Rite of Strict Observance in 1767, thus, before Illuminati took over. This is where German Freemasonry got the Templar legend. The Three Globes withdrew from the Strict Observance in 1778 and it probably never become Illuminated. The identity of the unknown masters of the Order of the Strict Observance has remained a secret, but the connection between the Illuminati and later revolutionary Freemasonry (Memphis and Mizraim) is known: in 1787 Johann Joachim Christoph Bode of Illuminati visited the Lodge of Philalèthes (also known as the Amis Reunis, the predecessor of Mizraim Freemasonry and the lodge that was most involved in the French revolution), the Lodge of Philadelphes (the predecessor of Memphis Freemasonry) was created as a result of this visit. The correspondence between the Amis Reunis and Cagliostro’s Egyptian Freemasonry was through a Strict Observance member Francois Luis de Beyerle (according to A. E. Waite, who usually is well informed). Thus, the beginnings of the French revolution are not in mystery, but what about German Freemasonry?

            I think it is very likely that Frederic the Great, the founder of German mother lodge The Three Globes, used Freemasonry and Frankists in the first division of Poland. The reason I think so is that the term Baałakaben in Jacob Frank’s The collection of the words of the Lord seem to refer to Freemasons: Baałakaben have made an oath and lost their legs (a reference to Freemason initiation) and Jacob Frank cannot do anything if not told by Baałakaben. (search for the word kaben form a text version, the word is written in many ways in the text). In his book Jacob Frank says that Poland will be destroyed. That was the plan of Frederick the Great and as it was the plan of Baałakaben and they were Masons, Baałakaben means German Freemasons. German Freemasons tried to stop Polish Illuminated Freemasons from reforming the country, they tried to introduce a new Constitution and might have managed to make Poland stronger, neighbors did not like the idea. Many Frankists joined Freemasonry, probably both German Freemasonry and French Freemasonry, like Moses Dobruschka, who joined Jacobins.

            The events of the French revolution and the reaction against Illuminati infiltration divided Freemasons. Frederick the Great and German Freemasonry were on the side which opposed Jacobins, and later Napoleon and leftist revolutionary Freemasonry. This German Freemasonry was one of the sources of the anti-leftist, anti-Semitic secret societies in Germany, Austria and Russia, which later formed the basis of Nazism.

            As for the Islamic connection, Jacob Frank had spent some time in Dönmeh in Turkey and there is a small possibility that some Sufi ideas came to Freemasonry this way, but I find it improbable. It is more likely that European esoteric societies studied Sufi mysticism first at the end of the 19th century, when there was the second esoteric revival with Theosophy, Buddhism, and other similar doctrines. It is known that Rudolf von Sebottendorf studied Sufism in Turkey. As Sufi doctrines have some resemblance to Manichean and Neo-Platonic teachings, there have been suggestions that the two gods of Freemasonry (Lucifer and Adonis) would have come from this Islamic connection. I do not find it convincing. It is more probable that the two gods come from S. L. MacGregor Mathers’ translations of the Larger and Smaller Holy Synod of Zohar, where there are two gods: Macroprosopus and Microprosopus.

            In general, the Islamic connection to Freemasonry and to world events after 1750 is very weak, probably there was no effect. Instead, it is a very valid question to ask what happened around 1000 AD. It looks like a case of the messianic movement and Islam had a major role in it. The Pope was provoked to start the First Crusade Fatimid caliph al-Haken, the incarnation of God for some believers. A new, quite esoteric, religion (Druze) emerged. It does look like one of the arranged ends-of-the-times. Templars may have had some role in it, but Freemasonry has no connection with those early times.      

            It is also a false lead to look for a greater role for Dönmeh, Sabbateans or Frankists in the New World Order. They have about as much importance to world events as Tibetian monks, who were claimed to really rule the world by Theosophists, Thule and other similar early 20th century esoteric movements. One can add that Freemasons do not any more play any major role in the conspiracy. Their activities can be tracked only to the end of the First World War and the last major achievements they did were starting the First World War (or contributing to it), giving power to Bolsheviks in Russia, and putting the Young Turks to power in Turkey. While these are not minor events, they are all in the far past. In a sense Tolkien said it correctly in the Lord of the Rings where the ghost army (being bound by an oath and decorating their locations with skulls, so very Masonic society) is released from the oath. Likewise, Freemasons seem to have been released from their oath after 1918 (or maybe 1948), at least in the political sense.

           It is also quite incorrect to try to identify people in the conspiracy by e.g. listing names of people, who supported Hitler and lifted him to power. The names obtained in this way are names of people connected with J. P. Morgan, which was the investment bank assigned with the task of giving loans to Germany in the Dowes and Young plans, people from the Standard Oil, General Electric, I.T.T., and other American firms, which created companies in Germany according to those plans, and other people you would find in such arrangements, like the Dulles brothers or the Warburg brothers. So, these connections show nothing. Instead, if we want to know who the people are in the conspiracy today, it should be fairly easy. We simply have to ask if there is any group which tries to achieve Illuminati goals: one world, control of media, control of finance; with Illuminati methods: control by creating huge loans, lifting to power corrupted leaders who can be controlled, making terrorist actions, wars, and changes of government, surrounding political leaders with its own members as advisors; and finally, has a special relation to Israel, as it was a Masonic project.

           But as it turns out, it is not so easy to find such a group. The answer is not some ethnic group. The group we should be looking for, if it is built like Illuminati of the past, has at most ten people on top, who know what is being done, and a thousand to ten thousand people, who have some connection to what is done, though they know nothing because of the struct hierarchy of the organization. If the answer were an ethnic minority group, then it is not a conspiracy. Then it is simply one ethnic group dominating other ethnic groups, which is an extremely common situation. But there was a conspiracy, the Masonic conspiracy, a real one, there was also a Communist conspiracy, also real, so if there is no conspiracy any more, then we can ask what happened to the conspiracy.

There is domination and suppression of some ethnic (or some other category) groups in countries, where there are different ethnic (or some other category) groups, as there always has been, it is favoring your own and suppressing others, but that is not the conspiracy. The New World Order (=Masonic) conspiracy is the one that made many revolutions and liberation wars, two world wars and Napoleonic wars, and created Israel. This conspiracy was never destroyed and it most probably had not disappeared by itself. It should still exist.

I have no answer to what the group could be. Instead, we have conspiracy theory books, which at some point continue to the Templar theory: medieval Knight Templars did not die, they are still here as the secret world government, or maybe it is reptiles form the outer space, or Sabbateans from Turkey or monks in Tibet, or Jesuits. Indeed, the Bavarian Illuminati was modeled after Jesuits, as was Himler’s SS, but it cannot be Jesuits, as the original order, which did engage in plotting, was dissolved in 1773 and after that time they have not been subversive. Or one can still try to find Freemasons. The last Freemason president of the USA was Gerard Ford and the only 33. Freemason president was Truman, but that does not stop anybody from declaring all suspicious people as 33. degree Freemasons.

As a conclusion, it is not so easy to identify the real conspiracy today, it does not use esoteric secret societies as cover organizations. It is not even possible to prove that there is such a conspiracy.


25 Comments

Ron October 4, 2019 Reply

Great article, really interesting. I’m still going to post something a little later concerning a post you worte a few weeks ago but I noticed that Hitler has many, many photos of himself using Freemason grips. So, it seems Hitler might have been a Freemason or was a member of a specific Nazi sanctioned lodge. Or the Nazi’s simply hijacked the Freemasonic hand grips and used them for their own ideology.

jorma October 4, 2019 Reply

Thanks. I think Hitler was not a Freemason, but it is possible that the handshakes have some secret meaning. Hitler must have had some connections which historians are not aware of. If he was partly Jewish and felt that this is important and he has a mission to send Jews to Palestine, he must have had some connection. He had an astrologer Kraft and magician Hanussen, so Hitler did have some esoteric interests. German Freemasonry under the German Grand Lodge had some 70,000 members in Hitler’s time. Hitler is not a member. Hjalmar Schacht is the only Freemason of importance in Nazi Germany (and that may indeed have importance to the rise of Nazis as Schacht negotiated the loans from the USA). German Freemasonry was never subversive, when it was politically active, it was under Frederick the Great. Hitler knew this, but still sent German Freemasons to concentration camps, just to be sure. But reading the Protocols of the Elders it is very clear that Nazis used many of the same methods.

ROn October 4, 2019 Reply

The Dönmeh, Sabbateans and Frankists do, however, have a historical place in the NWO conspiracy but not presently today.

And the Donmeh were filled with Freemasons and apostate crypto-Jews, many of them who fronted the Armenian genocide, so I’m told.

jorma October 4, 2019 Reply

Yes, this all is true, and as Shabbatai Zevi was the messiah, this is even more true. Saint simonists in France were for some time looking for a woman messiah to give birth to the next messiah (they did not find). Quite a bit of Sabbateanism did get to Freemasonry. About the Armenian genocide I think if may have been an attempt to transport people without concentration camps. Had it succeeded, Jews of Europe could have been transported in the same way: transport and leave somewhere, but it resulted into a genocide: if people are not put to camps and given food, even more die than in camps. They starve, try to steal food, and are killed by locals because of it. This is what I imagine happened to Armenians. Turks (Young Turk, Donmeh, Masons government) transported rebellious Armenians and dumped them somewhere without any food provision, so thy died.

Ron October 4, 2019 Reply

>One can add that Freemasons do not any more play any major role in the conspiracy. Their activities can be tracked only to the end of the First World War and the last major achievements they did were starting the First World (or contributing to it), giving power to Bolsheviks in Russia, and putting the Young Turks to power in Turkey.

I agree but there are high up politicians today, in Israel, internationalists in fact taht are members of some Freemasonic lodge. They frequently gesture freemasonic hand grips of various rites and degrees. I believe many of the Prime ministers of Israel were and are Freemasons.

jorma October 4, 2019 Reply

Are the Israelians in Freemasonry or in B’nai B’rith, Jewish Freemasonry-type society? B’nai B’rith is heavily involved in Zionism. Jacob Schiff got them to help to move Jews out of Russia to the USA (Galveston project) so that they would later go to Palestine. B’nai B’rith and its ADL are certainly there today and well connected with the Israel lobby.

Ron October 4, 2019 Reply

I mean 9/11 was a conspiracy, which was the pretext for the new American Century and the Balkenization of the middle east. That entire saga was planned and probably conducted by 5th column neoconservatives (neotrotskyites communists) in the Bush administration, who got away with murder. Clearly, in my opinion the conspiracy today seems like a war between multilateralism and unipolarism, and Zionism against neomarxism or maybe these are jsut the lower tier minions of something else. I’m not really sure. Who really wants global governance today?

jorma October 4, 2019 Reply

But you agree that there is a group wanting globalization today. They include banks. I am also uncertain of the identities of the people and do not want to name anybody, as I do not know. But when e.g. Finland joined the EU there was a large campaign for it, by some people, who apparently had much power. There was a group wanting globalization and release of movements of capital. I think it is high finance, who else?

Ron October 5, 2019 Reply

It is high finance, most definitely. I know that Ben-Gurion, the 1st prime minister of Israel stated that:

>>The Cold War will be a thing of the past. Internal pressure of the constantly growing intelligentsia in Russia for more freedom and the pressure of the masses for raising their living standards may lead to a gradual democratization of the Soviet Union. On the other hand, the increasing influence of the workers and farmers, and the rising political importance of men of science, may transform the United States into a welfare state with a planned economy.

>>“Western and Eastern Europe will become a federation of autonomous states having a Socialist and democratic regime. With the exception of the USSR as a federated Eurasian state, ail other continents will become united in a world alliance, at whose disposal will be an international police force. All armies will be abolished, and there will be no more wars.

>>**“In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a Shrine of the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind, to settle all controversies among the federated continents, as prophesied by Isaiah.**

So, it seems like they want to use the UN, and its founders ideologies to erect a world court.

ROn October 4, 2019 Reply

>Indeed, the Bavarian Illuminati was modeled after Jesuits, as was Himler’s SS, but it cannot be Jesuits, as the original order, which did engage in plotting, was dissolved in 1773 and after that time they have not been subversive.

It was modeled after the Jesuit order but like many disinformationalists like to push, it was not a work of the Jesuit order. Many like to claim a Jesuit wrote Hitler’s Mein Kampf, which in my research is not true. THough, a former Jesuit did edit his work as did he many other Nazi publications but at the time of his editing he renounced Jesuitism. We now have a Jesuit pope who is in opposition to the traditionalist catholics. The Jesuits of today are markedly liberal and progressive and it is said communists had hijacked the Catholic church giving it the appearance of the former, traditional Church. Many of these Jesuits are in fact Jewish, and the 2nd Vatican council has completely subverted the already corrupt Catholic church. Could Kabbalists play a role in the present NWO, if there is one? How about Zionists? Who are we not allowed to talk about in many countries? Which people are censored the most, for talking about what? Who controls the media?

What I do see is many politicans displaying various freemasonic handgrips. Which leads me to believe Freemasons are still alive and well in high positions of power. Is it to simply maintain the current order or to slowly subvert, infiltrate and collapse it for a new order? That’s the question.

jorma October 4, 2019 Reply

I think the NWO conspiracy is still there, though there are no clear ways to prove it. Historians have demonstrated the old Masonic conspiracy and the Communist conspiracy, but from the present time historians can never say anything for sure. If the NWO is there, it includes Kabbalism and Zionism. The goal is to fulfill the biblical prophecies of the (real) Jews governing the world, whatever that means. I think the media is controlled today and there are many topics one cannot discuss, and this is NWO. About the goals, I will soon write a post of the goals as they are in the Protocols of Elders (basically the Masonic conspiracy: destabilize in many ways and takeover either by a revolution or a coup, and another way, which is usury: state loans and corruption), and what it may be the case today. Today the old Masonic way does not work that well, people are more educated and the so called masses are not any more moved like in the good old times. But I will come to this.

Ron October 5, 2019 Reply

There seems to be a coordinated effort to dedollarize via the BRIC alliance. And considering the fiat system is based partly on force and exploitation, Ithink the international community has had enough. If you read IMF articles or articles written by the Bank for International Settlements, or even Rockefeller’s Think Tank Document “Prospects for America”, it is quite clear the goal is a NEW economic order fronted by Multilateralism. That means, Russia, China, and the states that will benefit from the belt road inititive, including Israel who already sells U.S. tech to China. At this point the US government, in the executive branch has been hijacked by Zionism. The Neocons are still shutting down and creating new think tanks in hopes nobody will catch on to their political ideological shape shifting. Unipolarism will slowly lose its edge geopolitically. The goal, I think is a half baked U.S Welfare state. And with taht a new nation state currency, possibly a digital one (SDR), backed by gold.

I think people are just as easily moved as before. But today, they need to make the alternatives as attractive as possible for people to willingly move in the desired direction that they want them to move. So, if they do want to collapse the current world order, it would be best to have EVERYONE FEAR the Liberal NWO fronted by the west, and embrace the multilateral NWO fronted by Russia and Putin. Just my thoughts.

jorma October 5, 2019 Reply

You wrote:
“So, if they do want to collapse the current world order, it would be best to have EVERYONE FEAR the Liberal NWO fronted by the west, and embrace the multilateral NWO fronted by Russia and Putin. Just my thoughts.”
and:
“That entire saga was planned and probably conducted by 5th column neoconservatives (neotrotskyites communists) in the Bush administration, who got away with murder. Clearly, in my opinion the conspiracy today seems like a war between multilateralism and unipolarism, and Zionism against neomarxism or maybe these are jsut the lower tier minions of something else.”
I try to comment, but my thoughts have not yet clarified.

About the division to leftist and to rightist: trotskyism was Communism supported by Jacob Schiff, so it was Jewish version of leftist Freemasonry where the goal was a totalitarian one world, while Zionism was presented as an only alternative to Communism and it was supported by the same Jacob Schiff, and here the goal was a free market one world, which in the final stage is led by Israel. For Freemasons the division to leftist and rightist extremists was a real one, but for Zionist bankers it was just a conflict that could be used to advance the Zionistic goal, which is biblical: Israel and world domination. This biblical goal is naturally not a negative one, as it is supposed to be the reign of peace (all who do not like it are enslaved or destroyed, so then there is peace under the wise king). The Freemason goal was never a negative one, it was only that the end sanctifies the means, you simply had to destroy the old rule and kill the old rulers in order to build the ideal Platonic world republic.

About the division to unilateralism (the goal of the USA) and multilateralism, the goal could definitely not be a world led by the USA (or by the UK, or by France, or by any king of Edom). The USA is still one king of Edom and the seven kings of Edom must lose their power and all nations must be under the wise king. I agree that in the near future the goal of this plan must be multilateralism so that different players can be played against each other. But the final goal was one world, not led by the USA but by a world government, which is controlled by bankers. That is, the biblical goals can not change. It is as in Isaiah.

About economic aspects I am not there yet to figure out what is what. Certainly it is a central issue.

The idea that everybody should be afraid of neocons and multiculture and then move towards Putin and China. This may be the case. This new right, alt-right, seems to be false. It is organized, it is led by people from a certain group. It looks like a way to push people somewhere, like Nazis earlier. I have wondered if the goal is to get more Jews to make aliyah to Israel as they need more people, but then they need more land. I cannot say, have not get figured it out. But there is this strange pro-Putin aspect in alt-right.

ROn October 9, 2019

If you look into Putin’s background, he was brought up be a Chabad Lubavitch rabbi. I think Putin and the Duginist culture of the alt-right, who support Trump are fronting the faux pro-orthodox christian order, as the faux antithesis of the western backed liberal world order. The goal is for you to fear the ruse of the liberal backed wwestern NWO, and embrace with open arms the Christian backed right winged order. You can see this, overtly in the alternative scenes of so-called journalism, i.e. an expose of neoconservatism (neo-Trotskyism), which isn’t unfoundded but then an absolute shilling for Putin and multilateralism.

I believe, from my research, the goal is to collapse the U.S. economy, or at least implode it slowly by capturing european energy market via multilateralism. Keep in mind Netanyahu and the Zionists in Israel made Putin man of the year. SO, clearly there are Zionists with different geopolitical agendas, though, the neoconservatives for the most part are also Israel firster Zionists, and probably would work with Russia if it meant increasing the security and geopolitical strength of Israel.

There is clearly a geopolitical relationship with Israel, China and Russia. I believe internationalists in the west are well aware of this new order and are pushing very much for the same goal.

Here is Zbigniew Brzezinski with Alexander Dugin. Dugin is the founder of National Bolshevism, an aid to Putin and an avid supporter of Eurasianism and the 4th political theory.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5000532e1bbc77acaeca351f9c66d44299505f15fa16adfe3ee8fb4c04228cce.jpg

Dugin claims that the new order will entail Orthodox Christianity as the principled religion of the world.

Here is Dugin reading Aleister Crowley’s Book of Thelema Liber DCCCXIII, so much for pushing Orthodox Christianity:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=a90V1b-KVDQ

Dugin states:

>>Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke “Afro-American racists”. Russia should “introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics.”

>>”we should make the sun rise from the east using our minds!”

Here are two avid Trump supporters and so-called alt-righters, who worked for the Zionist owned ‘Rebel Media’ both Jewish and suppoedly white nationalists who met Dugin and are fans of his theories, odd to say the least.

https://invidio.us/watch?v=sl2–OHvxK4

I believe that the euro-asian Jewish congress has a lot to do with pushing multilateralism and Dugin is often seen here. You also have Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov, claiming that the goal is to ideological subvert and demoralize the US. And is an ongoing agenda by these eurasianists, and Zionsits already in the US government.

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Also, what do you think of this video? Allegedly it is a 1930 Masonic Hazing Paraphernalia Catalog

https://invidio.us/watch?v=iarO3QAVvS8

jorma October 9, 2019

Thanks for the comment, I will try to comment it in some time, I have to think about it.

jorma October 10, 2019

“Also, what do you think of this video?”

I think those were Shriners. They liked such fun and scary stuff, called them hazing rituals.

jorma October 11, 2019

I did try to think of your arguments, but I do not know that side of the conspiracy (what today is happening in Russia, the USA or Israel, I have so far only looked at the history) and cannot make any comment. Seems to be interesting fellow this Alexander Dugin.

Zipfreer March 9, 2020 Reply

This is a constant battle online with the misinformation and the popular “truther” gatekeepers repeatedly blaming jews for everything.. To the point of calling Loyola a crypto-jew without any EVIDENCE.
Superior General Of The Jesuit Order Ignatius of Loyola Is A Crypto Jew – Debunked (2017)

What would be the best evidence to convince/motivate people to look at the real-world order,
the Jesuits

lI branches of American government are Catholic dominated.

• Congress

• Executive cabinet
• The judicial branch (Chief justice is Roman Catholic and so are the majority of justices)

2. International banking and international commerce are Catholic dominated.

3. The CIA was a creation of Catholic Knight of Malta Bill Donovan and has always been Catholic dominated.

3. Israel has given their most prized land away to the Vatican/the Mossad was started by a Knight of Malta
Do you guys find it funny that “#truthers” and “#anonymous” wear the guy Fawkes mask when guy Fawkes was a Jesuit assassin sent to kill the Protestant king of England (if I’m not mistaken). Would these people still be wearing the masks if they knew who was really in control aka Jesuits The Info & r/conspiracy was overrun by controlled shills for some years now. I would say 4-6 years ago this was not the case. #8chn #QAnon #Anonymous killing real #truther movement The Footprints of the Jesuits (1894) by Ex-Secretary of the Navy R.W. Thompson good info on Jesuit created Communism

jorma March 10, 2020 Reply

“This is a constant battle online with the misinformation and the popular “truther” gatekeepers repeatedly blaming jews for everything.”
You say correctly: a battle between misinformation and truthers. Are you on the side of misinformation or truthers? As for blaming Jews for everything, do you mean all Jews? Very few truthers blame all Jews. I have noticed that many people in e.g. The Unz Review blame Jews for everything (but even there, they do not blame all Jews, Unz is a Jew himself). It is incorrect to blame all Jews and only neo-Nazis do it (I consider them a false opposition, directed probably by Zionists). Most Jews have nothing to do with the conspiracy. In fact, 2.5 million of them died during the WWII because the conspiracy wanted to move them to Palestine and to create Israel. It is another matter whether a few rich Jews and some Freemasons did have a conspiracy in the 19th century. I think this can be quite well argued. Then it is a question what happened to this real conspiracy as it was never destroyed.

“To the point of calling Loyola a crypto-jew without any EVIDENCE.”
I did look at this issue and I did not find convincing evidence that Loyola was a crypto-Jew. But it is true that in the beginning there were a few Marranos among Jesuits. These Marranos apparently tried to get the power in the organization, but it backfired as Old Christians got back to power and passed a rule that required candidates to show that they are not descended from New Christians. The Church had a problem with New Christians (Marranos), because they were not real Christians but crypto-Jews following secretly their old ways. This problem was the reason the Catholic Church created the Inquisition. (Notice that the Jews of Spain were forced to convert because of two ritual murder cases in Spain. I looked at ritual murder claims and it seems to me that there indeed was a sect inside Judaism. Again, it is not all Jews, it was a practical kabbalistic (=black magic) sect.)

“What would be the best evidence to convince/motivate people to look at the real-world order,the Jesuits”
The reason why very few people believe in the Jesuit conspiracy theory is that they can see very well that the Jesuits do not control the media and finance. If they did, media would not criticize Catholic Church. I looked at the Jesuit conspiracy theory. I suggest you do it also, yourself and honestly. Jesuits did have a conspiracy to stop the Protestant movement. They were also involved in the Gun Powder plot to put Stuarts back on the throne. However, this conspiracy stopped to when Jesuits were dissolved. The reorganized Jesuit order did not use as strong measures. Monita Secreta was a forgery, though at one point it had a real point. The opponents of Jesuits who finally caused the order to be banned in many countries were Freemasons. Interestingly, the Freemason conspiracy copied the Jesuit organization, that is, the Bavarian Illuminati was created by Jewish origin, Jesuit educated Adam Weishaupt.

“lI branches of American government are Catholic dominated.
• Congress
• Executive cabinet
• The judicial branch (Chief justice is Roman Catholic and so are the majority of justices)

It is quite natural that you find many Catholics from the USA. The Catholic Church is the largest single church in the USA, though the majority of Americans are Protestants of various types. However, if the Jesuits run the world, or even the USA, then you would certainly not hear of pedophile scandals of the Catholic Church in the media. It is easy to find out who is ruling: just ask what you cannot criticize. Criticizing the Church, any Christian Church, is fine. Try to question the Holocaust or try to say that the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy was true. If you criticize the Church, nothing happens. If you do the second, you will be denounced as an anti-Semite and probably lose your job.

“2. International banking and international commerce are Catholic dominated.”
This I have not noticed. But the robbery of Russia when the Communism fell, was it done by people like Jeffry Sachs, Lawrence Summers, Stanley Fisher? These names do sound Catholic, but please, check, and check the oligarchs of Russia.

“3. The CIA was a creation of Catholic Knight of Malta Bill Donovan and has always been Catholic dominated.”
This point has many times been made by fiction writers, like Robert Ludlum. I have not checked it as the CIA probably does not give a name list of its agents. But I have no doubt that very many of them are Catholic as one of the focus of the CIA has always been the Latin America, that the USA considers as its sphere of influence. I wonder if Allen Dulles’ father was Presbyterian or Catholic and if George H.W. Bush, also a head of the CIA, really was Catholic. But Wild Bill Donovan was Irish and Irish are Catholics. There are more descendants of Irish than English in the USA. The Catholic Church was one of the anti-Communistic forces, involved e.g. in smuggling ex-Nazis to the USA. The conspiracy had two parts: the leftists revolutionaries (first leftist Freemasons-Carbonaries, then Communists) and the economic support (bankers). The CIA during the Cold War was trying to stop the Communists. It did not care of the bankers, who were Capitalists. Just to mention, the Malta Knights, like some other medieval knight orders (e.g. Lazarus) have among their members many Freemasons. As the Catholic Church is against Freemasonry, we see that these knight orders, though nominally under the Church, are acting independently. I very much doubt than Jesuits have any power over the Knights of Malta.

“3. Israel has given their most prized land away to the Vatican/the Mossad was started by a Knight of Malta”
Israel? You mean the Jews who moved to Palestine starting from the 19th century. As I remember, the Christian Churches in Israel (the important ones are not Roman Catholic) were there since Constantin the Great, c. 330 AD.

“Do you guys find it funny that “#truthers” and “#anonymous” wear the guy Fawkes mask when guy Fawkes was a Jesuit assassin sent to kill the Protestant king of England (if I’m not mistaken).”
I do not know what you are talking about. Who is wearing Fawkes masks? About truthers, some 911truthers seem to be honestly looking for the truth and the dancing Palestinians do point to some direction. About anonymous, you find my name in this blog from the writer page, while you appear under a pseudo-name Zipfreer. That tells something.

I forgot to answer this:
“the Mossad was started by a Knight of Malta”
I do not know who started the Mossad. I have some books on Mossad, but have not read them recently. It is possible that you are correct in this single point. The idea that every country needs an intelligence agency came to the USA (and probably to Israel) from the UK (though France and Russia had such secret police long ago). The CIA was modeled after MI5 (now MI6). Mossad must have been modeled after some other (Western) intelligence agencies and there was needed experienced people to create it, maybe a Knight of Malta was needed. Yet, this does not imply that Vatican controls Mossad, as it obviously does not. In fact, I have a well-informed book of Vatican intelligence. Vatican, as you can guess, is not any intelligence power. Though you might think that Catholic priests could collect lots of information as they hear confessions and live in so many countries, these priests are not trained to do intelligence work. Vatican intelligence is quite amateurish and it is small. Mossad certainly is not copied from Vatican intelligence.

I did make a study of various versions of the New World Order conspiracy theory after I was asked to look at the way the WTC building 7 collapses (my military officer colleagues said it is explosives, no doubt, I agreed, it was impossible as a gravitation collapse). I verified to myself that the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory of the 18th century was essentially correct, and that the Holocaust revisionist theory was also essentially correct. I also found that the Jesuit conspiracy theory is incorrect if presented as the conspiracy in our times. Also the Sabbatian-Frankist theory is incorrect, if moved to our times. Some conspiracy theories are correct, some are false. There are people who try to present false theories. I hope you make a study of your own. Spend several years on it and check yourself. This is not a war and it is not about blaming the Jews on everything. If you do the checking, you will see that there is a small group. Some of these people are Jewish. They have some special interest in finance and Israel. But it is not the Jews as a people. Like it never was all Masons who made revolutions and coups. It is also not true that there is only one party that has plots. Every major country has its policy aiming to support its interests. Yet, there is a plot that we can call the New World Order and it has the same economic side as it always had.
Hope this reply answers all your questions.

Ron June 17, 2020 Reply

>>…dancing Palestinians???

I hope that was a miatake.

jorma June 17, 2020 Reply

It was not a mistake. It is generally known the dancing Palestinians were Israeli and two of them were Mossad agents, thus the term “dancing Palestinians” has this implied meaning, and also that they had had explosives in the truck and were set up to make a video of some event in the WTC before any plane had approached the buildings. Please, do not think I am an idiot, only sarcastic.

W. Khouary June 3, 2021 Reply

It seems that the Sabbatean-Frankists were sort of special forces for the Talmudic and Zoharic Jews who working on the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy.

jorma June 3, 2021 Reply

Yes, that is correct, though Jacob Frank was mainly a practical Kabbalist and his book Sayings of the Lord does not
show that he knew Zohar. He often refers to stories of Jacob and thought of himself as Jacob. Practical Kabbalism
is black magic and an essential part of it is the rite of ten curses of Moses, as in the 6th and 7th book of Moses,
a magical text from the 18th century. There are seals with Hebrew words, spells how to find a treasure hidden in
ground (Jacob Frank believed that there was a treasure hidden in a castle close to Che,stohowa where he was jailed),
and causing plague and other curses. But Frank did cooperate with Freemasons and Frankists joined Masonry and
Kabbalism in Mizraim and Memphis Masonry seems to be from Sabbatian-Frankist sources.

TREUI Dtl July 14, 2021 Reply

It is pretty amazing that someone of your level of accomplishment and creativity has kept an open and penetrating mind on these issues. I never thought that The Second World War was an elite induced war but reading this blog has really changed my mind. I read the book CONJURING HITLER by Preperata, too and had an epiphany of sorts. I have not been able to find out much about the book THE DARK REICH. Can you provide some info on it please? Thanks

jorma July 19, 2021 Reply

Thanks. I do not know what info you want from Carmin’s book Das Swartze Reich. The author is
known as an occultist, but I read the book and found many interesting pieces of information.
I think it is worth reading, though not accepting just everything in it. I wrote some posts
of the book when I reread it. They are in the blog somewhere.

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